Odd, our pally on GameOver, before opting to reroll Pally for 5s at the beginning of last season was a ridiculous PvP druid. I've probably have played with Rahvin (his druid) for longer than anyone else still playing WoW with me and the increased attention to 3s and the eroding dependency on paladins in 5s is making Druid a much more practical PvP healer. It isn't a secret that for a player who likes to PvP a lot, especially in non-arena formats, Druid is dramatically more fun to play; you can duel, run flags, and actually play the game instead of simply BoPing your warlock or spam healing and giving your war BoF in arenas. I'm not making a "PALLIES ARE EZMODE" rant here -- well actually I think I just did...
We played about a dozen games running Druid/Spriest/Mage (with Rahvin and Deztruckt from GO) and I found the matrix to be awesome to play. Between silence, fear, CS, poly, cyclone, roots, bash, feral charge, mana burn and Mage snares and roots, you have a LOT of tools. What you lack in burst you certainly make up in crowd control. We are somewhere around 2100 rating and went 6-6 with the matrix which isn't particularly impressive, but we played generally strong teams, and were punished hard for having Rahvin still in half level 60 gear. It is a pretty strange team as far as pacing goes; it feels like you can win the fast game if you get good early CC and can land a solid shatter combo (which is pretty rare), you do fine in the games where everyone runs out of CC breaks as you have great CC and dispel/manaburn, and might even do well in OMGLONG games (though we lost these today). We ran into rogue/priest/lock with felt pretty brutal as the SL/Affliction lock can spam drain all day if focused or dominate with CC if left alone.
I'm definitely exited to see the rogue/druid/X variants as well; it's long been my goal to have Druid, Priest, Spriest, Mage, Lock, and Rogue available to mix and match with in 3s. ^^ My interest is primarily getting lots of 3s practice in under varying conditions to get ready for WSVG LA; obviously you can create a lot of counters or just well rounded teams from the classes listed previously. Warrior/healer/healer is of course the other major team out there in 3, and there is definitely no shortage of strong w/h/h teams on Stormstrike, but there are many counters available within the 5 classes mentioned. The sacrifice and freedom nerfs along with the buff to mage critical bonus (resilience fix) will certainly have an impact against such matrices as well.
Off to kill some troggs on my stupid gnome. ^_^
I received a long rant/article from Aesthyr concerning SC2 balance that I'm tempted to post up here though I'm not sure people care (since I'm VERY bad at SC LOL) or if it is very meaningful considering SC2 is still pretty early in development. Then again what PvPer out there isn't at least a little excited by SC2? =p
Saturday, August 11, 2007
Friday, August 10, 2007
This is Why You Not
It seems that I will not be able to attend the WSVG Toronto event as I won't have a team to field ready in time. Certainly, I'm to blame to a large extent for our inability to go as I wouldn't be able to arrive until 6-7PM Friday necessitating bringing at least 4 players when 3 weren't even readily available. We do plan on making the LA event and I'll be there no matter what, I promise. ^^ Best of luck to those who do attend, particularly those people I know. =p Best of luck to Farel, Jag, and SpikeX; I know you don't have much <3>
A top end PvP and PvE guild that simultaneously acts as a progression "machine" and a playground for PvPers of varying hardcore-ness. I've been with the guild for 3 years now -- I've seen 1% wipes, world firsts, ninja looting, sarcasm, silliness, greed, selflessness, rivalries and real dedication. I was shocked to realize that only 5 (yes 5!) of the current raiding guild plays the characters they played in AQ (or were in the guild for Twin Emps) ; it isn't a place where the old guard "controls" things particularly. The guild has probably an equal number of players who exclusively PvP as players who raid and the guild for many of these players is perhaps little more than a vague community within which their arena team cliques operate. So, I can't really answer "what kind of guild is FH?" because it is different things to different people. ^^
- Get good at 3s. I really didn't play with our 3s team enough last season; I played about 30% of the games and although we were usually top 5 in the battlegroup, 3s were not a competitive bracket like they are today. This season I've never really been able to play much and my level of play in 3s is really pretty low. We ran Yecal, Deztruckt and I as 3 DPS (rogue/spriest/mage) and found success until we hit a warlock/pally/spriest that took 200 rating and then a bugged out 220 rating single game loss. I'm still only mildly confident in 3s and perhaps mildly misgeared (9khp and 1k damage doesn't really cut it against teams who focus me), and hopefully the next few weeks with more available time to 3s will be an enabler to play the most "fun" arena bracket. (I do love 5s, but I play 4DPS, what 4DPS team doesn't love 5s?)
- Time for a gnome? While I will miss my sexy, sexy human mage, can I really go another Xpac with the worst PvP racials? It's a bit inexcusable. ^^ With probably 3 months left in season 3 and a few good AV weekends before the "AFK fix", perhaps now is a good time. I will certainly continue to play mage in WLK from what I've seen so far; I still prefer the class gameplay to other choices. (BLINK!) I was holding out to see if Necros or Spellbreakers would be available, but the DK isn't particularly irresistible to me from how I imagine the class playing. (I could be WAY off of course) There's also the fact that I'm betting even if DKs are incredible sweet in arena, I imagine there will be lots of people I know who would love to play one over their current class. (hello rogues, pallies and wars)
- SC it up. ^^ WTB Korean hand transplant. You'd think that years of playing piano as a kid have to count for something, but even watching Aesthyr play who is really just a casual, makes me sad, forget Savior or Moon. It's okay; I can wave dash and ws cancel WAY better than him. I also have to scrounge up some more Blizzcon beta keys.
- Writes lots of boring articles like this one to kill the time and bore people to death zzzzzzzzzz
A top end PvP and PvE guild that simultaneously acts as a progression "machine" and a playground for PvPers of varying hardcore-ness. I've been with the guild for 3 years now -- I've seen 1% wipes, world firsts, ninja looting, sarcasm, silliness, greed, selflessness, rivalries and real dedication. I was shocked to realize that only 5 (yes 5!) of the current raiding guild plays the characters they played in AQ (or were in the guild for Twin Emps) ; it isn't a place where the old guard "controls" things particularly. The guild has probably an equal number of players who exclusively PvP as players who raid and the guild for many of these players is perhaps little more than a vague community within which their arena team cliques operate. So, I can't really answer "what kind of guild is FH?" because it is different things to different people. ^^
Wednesday, August 8, 2007
Mage Emo Whining Take One: Arcane Tree
Resistance to Dispel Mechanic
Since the beginning of retail, mages have complained how many of their core talent abilities including Arcane Power, Ice Barrier, Presence of Mind, etc. could all be simply dispelled. This is certainly true for many classes and is true of many of the powerful 41 point talents in TBC. However, mages rely on magical effects more than other classes to control their opponents to both mitgate and deal damage, and unlike the other caster classes has no means to reduce the resistance to dispel of these abilities. Even a moderate change where the chance to dispel magical effects was reduced by 20% through talents could be a drastic improvement. Reducing the chance for a mage's magic effects to be dispelled would also help bring significantly underwhelming talents such as Slow or abilities such as Spellsteal up to par. Not having that PWS or Earthshield immediately removed after you stole it would certainly help better justify the huge mana cost to Spellsteal. Additionally, such a talent especially if in lower Arcane could help mitigate the whole "17 points for 4 seconds of Silence" nature of lower Arcane.
Arena Water
Mage representation in arena declined significantly between seasons one and two with no major class changes to the game. Fundamentally, "outlast" teams all sought to bring a mage as the ability to drink proved to be pivotal in lengthy games. While mages themselves are highly mana dependent and are not fantastic at going the distance in long games where there is abundant mana burning, viper stinging, and drain spam, they made up for this by bringing water to the entire team. The inclusion of water for every class, more than taking mages off of teams, made matrices powerful that previously were not commonly played. In 2s, every healer/X team grew significantly more powerful particularly when compared to healer/mage as with the water advantage out of the way, one of the main assets of mage was lost in the smaller arena format. This change also led to the rise of 2healer/war and melee/drainlock/healer teams in 3s which could now easily outlast the mage/healer/dps teams that could previously hold their own in the lenghty battles due to their ability to drink.
What is perhaps the most frustrating element to the water inclusion for everybody change is that the change is perhaps worse for the arena mage than if no player could use water at all. Water is far more powerful in a healer's hands than it is for a mage. While I think removing water at this point is difficult and perhaps the original dependence on mages for water was too great, there should be an advantage for using mage water instead of Star's Tears. The simplest solution is significantly reducing the mana gain per tick that Star's Tears yields such that a team with Mage water still has a noticeable water advantage over a team without. This won't really address the lack of mages in 2s, but will curb the trend of healer/healer/war and trihealer/2xwar being the best "outlast" teams where the teams benefit significantly from the ability to repetitively drink without giving up a healing slot in their roster.
Current Talents: Arcane Tree
I'm going to very briefly going through each talent as well as what I know of its recent history (Don't worry I'm not going back to Beta, but I do think the evolution of some of these talents is important in contextualizing the talents); I expect that, as WLK grows nearer, there will be abundant discussion posts begging Blue to improve or tweak various things in the next expansion. I hope to just touch on things quickly, again I'm not saying "this is what I want changed", and I do realize that some talents are very situational and that's fine, and also some talents are intended to be even generally "better" than others.
Arcane Focus: Prior to TBC, it was widely accepted that this talent having 5 ranks was an utter waste; there was no viability to using Arcane nukes as a primary source for damage dealing. With the changes to missiles and the inclusion of Arcane Blast, this has changed and I can see how this talent is quite a potent talent for PvE as it allows you to pick up 10 hit in tier 1 of the talent tree. Is this perhaps too powerful? I used to envision this talent being better if it was a PvP/PvE compromise -- provide some arcane +hit and also some dispel resistance, but I don't believe this to be wise any longer.
Arcane Subtlety: This was one of the disappointing compromises Blue made with mages at the tail of the initial mage revamp in 1.11. Originally in the revamp, this was a much cooler talent that reduced the threat generated by critical strikes; mages complained that such a mechanic could not be reliably controlled and that the key part of managing aggro was predictability in how much hate one was generating. This was in the BWL era where Salvation wasn't ubiquitous and fights were much more hate control dependent. Instead of going with a single shallow arcane talent to reduce threat from criticals, the devs opted to give each tree its own powerful aggro reduction talent; these were significantly too powerful in how much they reduced threat and were accordingly severely nerfed in later months with the exception of the Arcane version. The Arcane version remained strong to make Arcane a more attractive PvE DPS alternative in TBC. With the current state of the game, it naively seems to me that the version of this talent where it reduced the threat of any critical might make more sense moving forward and would be more interesting than a flat aggro reduction talent -- this would of course necessitate removing the hate reduction found on Burning Soul and Frost Channeilng. The spell penetration component of this talent feels archaic and no longer relevant to me; it was at the time to quell complaints about resist gear prevalence in BG PvP.
Improved Arcane Missiles: An extremely controversial talent which has polarized the playerbase for the past two years. Tons of players hate missiles even after their many improvements and view this as a sinkhole they dump 5 points into as there simply isn't a better option for the PvP mage in Tier 1 Arcane. Others think missiles are fine situationally and think this talent is reasonable for a Tier 1 talent. Either way, almost every PvP mage even if he never uses missiles will take this talent over the PvE flavored options and every PvE mage will ignore this talent in favor of the other Tier 1 options. My feeling is that missiles are too siuational in PvP and basically require you using the focus metagem to get much utility out of the spell, and this utility largely comes from exploiting a buggy mechanic. The talent does really leave me feeling I've dumped 5 points into a spell I never use. Suggestions over time have included its outright removal and replacement, its reduction to a 3/3 talent, its inclusion of Arcane Blast or all Arcane spells in its interruption protection, or adding a secondary effect to Arcane Missiles similar to what Impact and Frostbite do for fire and frost spells respectively.
Wand Specialization: Amazingly this used to be a 5 point talent for the same effect. Wands are really a relic of times when mages would wand to damage when out of mana (though this was a HUGE pain before auto-wand) or would wand for JoW procs when low on mana. Wand damage scaling has significantly improved although not to the point where wands are much more than a novelty -- their use remains extremely situational and this is talent has been a joke ever since release even with its improvement in 1.11. There's been lots of ideas over the years that include adding a secondary effect to wanding that helps regenerate mana or puts a debuff on the target, but ultimately wanding just doesn't fit the feel of the class and this talent really should be replaced with something relevant.
Magic Absorption: A new talent added during the 1.11 revamp that had a lot of players' hopes up until we learned it only affected full spell resists, or "white" resists. Full white resists are exceptionally rare and really are only found in PvE encounters where you can stack a good deal of resistance and there is a constant source of that damage hitting the player. The talent also grants 10 to all resists for 5 talent points, which while being mediocre/neglible at 60, is laughably so at 70 and beyond. The extra resists should likely be a percentage scaler tied to current resists, intellect, or spirit, or just outright removed so that the talent can have a more clear identify in what it is trying to do. I think being able to clearly define the purpose of a talent is a good litmus test and the best I can come up wtih for Magic Absorption is: "This talent slightly increases your resistance to magical effects and infrequently rewards you with mana when you do fully resist magical effects" The best suggestion I've heard over the years to keeping this talent in line with what I feel it was intended to do (which was marginally improve caster defense and situationally improve PvE mana efficiency) is something like: When struck by a harmful spell, mage gains mana equal to 5/10/15/20/25% of his Intellect over the next 15 seconds. There are lots of other options out there for this talent, but weirdly this talent occupies an important part of the tree, but has never really had an identity.
Clearcasting: Perpetually compared to the shaman talent which mages frequently claim is wildly superior as it requires only a single point investment instead of costing 5 precious talent points. Constantly cited in the argument that mage talents are too "thick" with five point sinks -- a problem only slightly improved during the mage revamp. Regardless, everyone generally feels Clearcasting is a good talent though they may be bitter that it's a bit boring and costs a lot of points. I think that since the talent has been included in nearly every single mage spec with 10 or more talent points in Arcane since release, it is clear that it is the most desirable Tier 2 Arcane talent option available. During the revamp there was a significant push by players to move Clearcasting down to Tier 1 swapping it with Improved Missiles or Arcane Focus, but the devs didn't bite. Ultimately this talent is fine; I don't think it is too strong -- its inclusion in nearly every build is simply a product of the alternative talents being too undesirable.
Arcane Fortitude: Formerly, evocation occupied the 11 point slot. Every mage who did any PvE before the mage revamp was essentially forced to spec into shallow arcane just to pick up Evocation (most were expected to have Improved Arcane Explosion as well which required 16, and most opted to invest at that point the 2 for Imp CS). The revamp made Evocation trainable and everyone anxiously theorycrafted over what new ability would be given in the 11 point Arcane Slot. Every mage "gold medal" (the 11,21,31,41) talents is actively used with the exception of Arcane Fortitude; while most would see the change in the revamp as a general improvement, players were furious to be given a passive, and not particularly interesting or powerful 11 point talent. The drama over the talent was not aided by developer admission that the talent was lackluster and that it would look to be improved before moving from PTR to live -- it never was and the Blue stance has since changed. Oddly, players have come to not hate this talent as the 2% physical mitigation (or 1.5% if you use Ice Armor) has become appreciated at least to a significant minority of players. There have been hundreds of fantasy tree revisions almost all with exotic or elaborate new 11 point talents; I think that most players would be happy with even a pretty mediocre ability here as long as it was active.
Magic Attunement: A problem talent. Initially Dampen and Amplify were extremely weak and it was hardly noticeable whether you were using one or the other. They were moderately improved during the revamp, although the net effect was likely not intended -- Dampen simply became powerful for outright negating certain weak elemental PvE damage; this was later nerfed. The talents are problematic because they've been perpetually buggy. For long periods of time, the talents would simply have no effect on either ability. During TBC, the talents for a while actually decreased the effect of both Amplify and Dampen. The lack of other options in shallow Arcane occasionally convince players to opt for this talent, but given how frequently it has been broken and how few players even realize when it is broken (demonstrating how little it does), this talent is a frequent target of scrutiny. Suggestions have generally centered around simply increasing the amount of scaling or having the scaling only effect the "positive" side of the two abilities.
Arcane Impact: The replacement to Improved Arcane Explosion, which was the talent so problematic that it was probably the driving impetus for the mage revamp. Not much attention was ever given to its replacement at the time, as most players simply felt relieved they didn't "need" to dump 16 points into Arcane to make one of their core spells, which they were all expected to have, functional. The talent was lackluster and generally avoided pre-TBC but with the inclusion of Arcane Blast and the talent's bonus to Arcane Blast, it fits well in the tree at this point. Generally one of those talents that is not discussed in any class discussions.
Improved Mana Shield: It really wasn't very long ago at all when Mana Shield only absorbed physical damage. Mana Shield is honestly more the problem than this talent; the shield absorbs too little relative to damage scaling in TBC which is made worse by the lack of the PvP glove bonus we became accustomed to during WoW 1.0. This talent is situational and ends up in a decent numbers of specs, so perhaps its fine, though most would likely agree that it should probably reduce the mana cost per point of absorption at least slightly more to warrant investment.
Arcane Meditation: Spirit is really the problem more than this talent. This talent is generally pretty good in PvE and has been prevalent in raiding specs for as long as I can remember. I don't really see this talent being "too good" and as a non-raider any longer, I can understand that not every talent need be relevant to every player. When Spirit is inevitably improved in the expansion, talents that take advantage of Spirit will of course be indirectly improved.
Improved Counterspell: The gem of arcane mages really pushed to get trainable during the first revamp, and then again during Beta of TBC. "Why do warlock pets get it for free and it costs us 17 talent points?" Again, the issue is fundamentally the weak talents in lower arcane make it FEEL like you really are spending 17 talent points just for this talent. Then again, it is possibly STILL worth it. Tons of players will rant on and on about how this talent is a "crutch" or how you should always insure full spell locks to not waste the CS cooldown -- this is nonsense. Imp CS is fantastic, get over yourselves. ^^
Arcane Mind: Very simple and vastly improved since WoW 1.0. Only common in deep, deep Arcane builds that take advantage of the scaling between this talent and Mind Mastery. I think that there's little argument that this is a fine talent. It isn't a "must-have" for many players but works well within the tree and finds its way into a solid numbers of players' talents.
Presence of Mind: Trademark "gold medal" talent of the class for the first year or more of the game in WoW 1.0. Inevitably when combined with AP and double trinkets was the centerpiece of the "IWIN" macros that filled half of the mage PvP videos for a whole era. Prior to the revamp, basically every spec committed to taking PoM due to the "required" investments in the lower talents, and the low marginal cost in picking up PoM. Since the revamp opened up Elemental as more viable and increasingly so since TBC, PoM has become drastically less relevant to mage gameplay. It is still a potent 21 point talent, but with bigger health pools, and more attractive options in other specs, it is exponentially less prevalent...not a bad thing. Many are already eyeing 21/0/41+ as potential awesomeness in WLK, but I'm mostly of the opinion that while this talent will always be solid, the relative importance of a single instant spell has gone way done with larger health pools and increased survivability. It is perhaps more in line with how it should be at this point.
Improved Blink: One of the talents that I WHINED about nonstop during beta. It isn't bad, saving 300+ mana per blink can really add up pretty quickly; even a rogue duel where I blink 3 times, I've saved 1k mana which is honestly pretty significant. The problem is that it is deep in the tree for a talent that helps a single spell that's on cooldown. This is begging to be Improved Spellsteal instead. Others would rather see this be a cooldown reduction on Blink similar to what's on the PvP and Gladiator gear or a talent that increases the distance of Blink. (The latter of which I rather like) Most players feel that when you compare this to the more general Arcane Mind on the same tier, there's little incentive to pick this option. There really aren't any specs that have enough points to spare to pick up both.
Arcane Potency: One of the late additions to the TBC talents that left the beta players pretty divided. A lot of people thought the talent was pretty weak as it basically relied on a random proc and then only increased your chance to land a critical strike and the whole thing was very uncontrollable and awkward. On the other hand, it works well with Arcane Missiles and it does help those AP/PoM Pyroblasts crit a lot more if you save it for a Clearcasting proc. Overall, it isn't a very good return on investment per point if you care about sustained damage (just over 3%), but is still potent enough to find its way into many specs that are focused on dealing damage and look to take as many damage scaling talents as possible. I'd argue that it is highly underwhelming considering the Clearcasting requirement and depth in the tree (it seems like it would be a guaranteed critical, not just an increased chance to be honest), but the fact that it ends up in so many builds and that players generally seem to like it proves that it is probably fine as is. It is perpetually one of those types of talents I'm inclined to avoid.
Arcane Potency: Generic damage scaling talent that is quite good and the only complaints generally involve "I spend tons of points in crap in lower Arcane and only get to spend 3 here?" Perhaps talents like this are too good, but when compared to what other classes get for similar talents, it certainly is not out of line.
Prismatic Cloak: An impossibly hard talent to analyze. Honestly, 2% mitigation to all damage per point is amazing. However, you can only invest 2 points and you are starved for points once you get this far down in Arcane; only PvP specs are looking for a talent like this and they really need Blazing Speed or Ice Block and have very few points to spend at this depth. The fact that you can only invest 2 points really makes this talent far less noticeable than it could potentially be otherwise, but would any really want this as a 5 point talent? (Probably not!) A lot of people in beta were hoping this would be a buff as for some reason that rumor floated around for a while. The rumor was that this was a castable buff on party members that was 4% damage mitigation. That would be neat! (AND overpowered!)
Empowered Arcane Missiles: I hated all the "Empowered" talents when they were first were released in TBC. I thought they were pretty uninspired in general and in comparison to other tier 7 and tier 8 talents for other classes. Empowered Missiles were the best of the three however. The two edged nature of making Missiles significant more damaging but more mana consuming (the main downside to missiles) is more interesting than the one dimensional Empowered talents. This talent really transforms missiles into a real nuke and opened up Arcane as a viable damage spec. It is probably too powerful even at its current depth, but Arcane Missiles are a somewhat weak spell without the talent relatively, so the overall result I see as pretty fair.
Arcane Power: The "gold medal" talent everybody loves to hate. The slight nerf from 35 to 30% was generally irrelevant and this talent still gives AP mages the highest "burst" you can get in the game. Sure it can be dispelled, costs a ton of mana, and lasts for a very short time, but the damage scaling is pretty ridiculous. If mages were more resistance to dispels, I think most would feel this talent is in line with their expectations. Going forward into WLK, there really aren't any 31/31 specs that are particularly terrifying. A lot of players over the years have cried for the removal for Arcane Power as they felt that it hurt the class more than it helped -- the arguments pointed how people complained repeatedly about Zerking+Trinkets+Beserking+AP PoM Pyros. The "idea" was to trade AP for more consistent damage or better survivability; I was always indifferent to the arguments really. I think AP is fine and in line with other 31 points talents especially with the larger health pools in TBC and moving forward into WLK.
Spell Power: The very last addition to mage TBC talents. This came as a shock to most players and was really out of nowhere. Nobody asked for it! It is quite good -- there was huge drama over how much damage it should add, but looking back, I think its current state is reasonable in the current game. It doesn't really add a LOT of damage to criticals, but per point investment, it is a great talent and I don't think many would argue that this talent needs improvement. ^^
Mind Mastery: I don't know what to say about MM really; it is pretty bland, but pretty good. I think it is inline with other classes' Tier 8 damage scaling talents.
Slow: This went through a few iterations during beta before it ended up movement speed, casting speed, and ranged attack speed. Despite arguments otherwise, the current Slow is probably the best Slow ever in TBC. Reducing melee attack speed is just not that important as most abilities are instant. Slow has many problems including high mana cost, the ability to only use it on a single target, the ease at which it can be dispelled, and the fact that any ability that removes movement impairing effects removes Slow entirely. Unfortunately, almost every class can self-remove Slow and even when they cannot, such a high portion of PvP damage comes from instant abilities that Slow acts more like a movement snare than anything else. A 700 mana 41 point instant snare that is on par with Cone of Cold and Rank 1 frostbolt. Improvements to Slow have included: Dramatically reduce the mana cost, make Slow AoE or allow you to cast it on multiple targets, make Slow resistant to dispel or add a punishment similar to what is on UA for dispelling Slow (root/stun?), or swap Slow with a lower tier "gold medal" talent. In TBC, Slow is generally an ability only relevant in PvP and unfortunately any PvP spec requires Ice Block or at least Blazing Speed, both of which preclude ever having Slow.
This is just a first pass!
Since the beginning of retail, mages have complained how many of their core talent abilities including Arcane Power, Ice Barrier, Presence of Mind, etc. could all be simply dispelled. This is certainly true for many classes and is true of many of the powerful 41 point talents in TBC. However, mages rely on magical effects more than other classes to control their opponents to both mitgate and deal damage, and unlike the other caster classes has no means to reduce the resistance to dispel of these abilities. Even a moderate change where the chance to dispel magical effects was reduced by 20% through talents could be a drastic improvement. Reducing the chance for a mage's magic effects to be dispelled would also help bring significantly underwhelming talents such as Slow or abilities such as Spellsteal up to par. Not having that PWS or Earthshield immediately removed after you stole it would certainly help better justify the huge mana cost to Spellsteal. Additionally, such a talent especially if in lower Arcane could help mitigate the whole "17 points for 4 seconds of Silence" nature of lower Arcane.
Arena Water
Mage representation in arena declined significantly between seasons one and two with no major class changes to the game. Fundamentally, "outlast" teams all sought to bring a mage as the ability to drink proved to be pivotal in lengthy games. While mages themselves are highly mana dependent and are not fantastic at going the distance in long games where there is abundant mana burning, viper stinging, and drain spam, they made up for this by bringing water to the entire team. The inclusion of water for every class, more than taking mages off of teams, made matrices powerful that previously were not commonly played. In 2s, every healer/X team grew significantly more powerful particularly when compared to healer/mage as with the water advantage out of the way, one of the main assets of mage was lost in the smaller arena format. This change also led to the rise of 2healer/war and melee/drainlock/healer teams in 3s which could now easily outlast the mage/healer/dps teams that could previously hold their own in the lenghty battles due to their ability to drink.
What is perhaps the most frustrating element to the water inclusion for everybody change is that the change is perhaps worse for the arena mage than if no player could use water at all. Water is far more powerful in a healer's hands than it is for a mage. While I think removing water at this point is difficult and perhaps the original dependence on mages for water was too great, there should be an advantage for using mage water instead of Star's Tears. The simplest solution is significantly reducing the mana gain per tick that Star's Tears yields such that a team with Mage water still has a noticeable water advantage over a team without. This won't really address the lack of mages in 2s, but will curb the trend of healer/healer/war and trihealer/2xwar being the best "outlast" teams where the teams benefit significantly from the ability to repetitively drink without giving up a healing slot in their roster.
Current Talents: Arcane Tree
I'm going to very briefly going through each talent as well as what I know of its recent history (Don't worry I'm not going back to Beta, but I do think the evolution of some of these talents is important in contextualizing the talents); I expect that, as WLK grows nearer, there will be abundant discussion posts begging Blue to improve or tweak various things in the next expansion. I hope to just touch on things quickly, again I'm not saying "this is what I want changed", and I do realize that some talents are very situational and that's fine, and also some talents are intended to be even generally "better" than others.
Arcane Focus: Prior to TBC, it was widely accepted that this talent having 5 ranks was an utter waste; there was no viability to using Arcane nukes as a primary source for damage dealing. With the changes to missiles and the inclusion of Arcane Blast, this has changed and I can see how this talent is quite a potent talent for PvE as it allows you to pick up 10 hit in tier 1 of the talent tree. Is this perhaps too powerful? I used to envision this talent being better if it was a PvP/PvE compromise -- provide some arcane +hit and also some dispel resistance, but I don't believe this to be wise any longer.
Arcane Subtlety: This was one of the disappointing compromises Blue made with mages at the tail of the initial mage revamp in 1.11. Originally in the revamp, this was a much cooler talent that reduced the threat generated by critical strikes; mages complained that such a mechanic could not be reliably controlled and that the key part of managing aggro was predictability in how much hate one was generating. This was in the BWL era where Salvation wasn't ubiquitous and fights were much more hate control dependent. Instead of going with a single shallow arcane talent to reduce threat from criticals, the devs opted to give each tree its own powerful aggro reduction talent; these were significantly too powerful in how much they reduced threat and were accordingly severely nerfed in later months with the exception of the Arcane version. The Arcane version remained strong to make Arcane a more attractive PvE DPS alternative in TBC. With the current state of the game, it naively seems to me that the version of this talent where it reduced the threat of any critical might make more sense moving forward and would be more interesting than a flat aggro reduction talent -- this would of course necessitate removing the hate reduction found on Burning Soul and Frost Channeilng. The spell penetration component of this talent feels archaic and no longer relevant to me; it was at the time to quell complaints about resist gear prevalence in BG PvP.
Improved Arcane Missiles: An extremely controversial talent which has polarized the playerbase for the past two years. Tons of players hate missiles even after their many improvements and view this as a sinkhole they dump 5 points into as there simply isn't a better option for the PvP mage in Tier 1 Arcane. Others think missiles are fine situationally and think this talent is reasonable for a Tier 1 talent. Either way, almost every PvP mage even if he never uses missiles will take this talent over the PvE flavored options and every PvE mage will ignore this talent in favor of the other Tier 1 options. My feeling is that missiles are too siuational in PvP and basically require you using the focus metagem to get much utility out of the spell, and this utility largely comes from exploiting a buggy mechanic. The talent does really leave me feeling I've dumped 5 points into a spell I never use. Suggestions over time have included its outright removal and replacement, its reduction to a 3/3 talent, its inclusion of Arcane Blast or all Arcane spells in its interruption protection, or adding a secondary effect to Arcane Missiles similar to what Impact and Frostbite do for fire and frost spells respectively.
Wand Specialization: Amazingly this used to be a 5 point talent for the same effect. Wands are really a relic of times when mages would wand to damage when out of mana (though this was a HUGE pain before auto-wand) or would wand for JoW procs when low on mana. Wand damage scaling has significantly improved although not to the point where wands are much more than a novelty -- their use remains extremely situational and this is talent has been a joke ever since release even with its improvement in 1.11. There's been lots of ideas over the years that include adding a secondary effect to wanding that helps regenerate mana or puts a debuff on the target, but ultimately wanding just doesn't fit the feel of the class and this talent really should be replaced with something relevant.
Magic Absorption: A new talent added during the 1.11 revamp that had a lot of players' hopes up until we learned it only affected full spell resists, or "white" resists. Full white resists are exceptionally rare and really are only found in PvE encounters where you can stack a good deal of resistance and there is a constant source of that damage hitting the player. The talent also grants 10 to all resists for 5 talent points, which while being mediocre/neglible at 60, is laughably so at 70 and beyond. The extra resists should likely be a percentage scaler tied to current resists, intellect, or spirit, or just outright removed so that the talent can have a more clear identify in what it is trying to do. I think being able to clearly define the purpose of a talent is a good litmus test and the best I can come up wtih for Magic Absorption is: "This talent slightly increases your resistance to magical effects and infrequently rewards you with mana when you do fully resist magical effects" The best suggestion I've heard over the years to keeping this talent in line with what I feel it was intended to do (which was marginally improve caster defense and situationally improve PvE mana efficiency) is something like: When struck by a harmful spell, mage gains mana equal to 5/10/15/20/25% of his Intellect over the next 15 seconds. There are lots of other options out there for this talent, but weirdly this talent occupies an important part of the tree, but has never really had an identity.
Clearcasting: Perpetually compared to the shaman talent which mages frequently claim is wildly superior as it requires only a single point investment instead of costing 5 precious talent points. Constantly cited in the argument that mage talents are too "thick" with five point sinks -- a problem only slightly improved during the mage revamp. Regardless, everyone generally feels Clearcasting is a good talent though they may be bitter that it's a bit boring and costs a lot of points. I think that since the talent has been included in nearly every single mage spec with 10 or more talent points in Arcane since release, it is clear that it is the most desirable Tier 2 Arcane talent option available. During the revamp there was a significant push by players to move Clearcasting down to Tier 1 swapping it with Improved Missiles or Arcane Focus, but the devs didn't bite. Ultimately this talent is fine; I don't think it is too strong -- its inclusion in nearly every build is simply a product of the alternative talents being too undesirable.
Arcane Fortitude: Formerly, evocation occupied the 11 point slot. Every mage who did any PvE before the mage revamp was essentially forced to spec into shallow arcane just to pick up Evocation (most were expected to have Improved Arcane Explosion as well which required 16, and most opted to invest at that point the 2 for Imp CS). The revamp made Evocation trainable and everyone anxiously theorycrafted over what new ability would be given in the 11 point Arcane Slot. Every mage "gold medal" (the 11,21,31,41) talents is actively used with the exception of Arcane Fortitude; while most would see the change in the revamp as a general improvement, players were furious to be given a passive, and not particularly interesting or powerful 11 point talent. The drama over the talent was not aided by developer admission that the talent was lackluster and that it would look to be improved before moving from PTR to live -- it never was and the Blue stance has since changed. Oddly, players have come to not hate this talent as the 2% physical mitigation (or 1.5% if you use Ice Armor) has become appreciated at least to a significant minority of players. There have been hundreds of fantasy tree revisions almost all with exotic or elaborate new 11 point talents; I think that most players would be happy with even a pretty mediocre ability here as long as it was active.
Magic Attunement: A problem talent. Initially Dampen and Amplify were extremely weak and it was hardly noticeable whether you were using one or the other. They were moderately improved during the revamp, although the net effect was likely not intended -- Dampen simply became powerful for outright negating certain weak elemental PvE damage; this was later nerfed. The talents are problematic because they've been perpetually buggy. For long periods of time, the talents would simply have no effect on either ability. During TBC, the talents for a while actually decreased the effect of both Amplify and Dampen. The lack of other options in shallow Arcane occasionally convince players to opt for this talent, but given how frequently it has been broken and how few players even realize when it is broken (demonstrating how little it does), this talent is a frequent target of scrutiny. Suggestions have generally centered around simply increasing the amount of scaling or having the scaling only effect the "positive" side of the two abilities.
Arcane Impact: The replacement to Improved Arcane Explosion, which was the talent so problematic that it was probably the driving impetus for the mage revamp. Not much attention was ever given to its replacement at the time, as most players simply felt relieved they didn't "need" to dump 16 points into Arcane to make one of their core spells, which they were all expected to have, functional. The talent was lackluster and generally avoided pre-TBC but with the inclusion of Arcane Blast and the talent's bonus to Arcane Blast, it fits well in the tree at this point. Generally one of those talents that is not discussed in any class discussions.
Improved Mana Shield: It really wasn't very long ago at all when Mana Shield only absorbed physical damage. Mana Shield is honestly more the problem than this talent; the shield absorbs too little relative to damage scaling in TBC which is made worse by the lack of the PvP glove bonus we became accustomed to during WoW 1.0. This talent is situational and ends up in a decent numbers of specs, so perhaps its fine, though most would likely agree that it should probably reduce the mana cost per point of absorption at least slightly more to warrant investment.
Arcane Meditation: Spirit is really the problem more than this talent. This talent is generally pretty good in PvE and has been prevalent in raiding specs for as long as I can remember. I don't really see this talent being "too good" and as a non-raider any longer, I can understand that not every talent need be relevant to every player. When Spirit is inevitably improved in the expansion, talents that take advantage of Spirit will of course be indirectly improved.
Improved Counterspell: The gem of arcane mages really pushed to get trainable during the first revamp, and then again during Beta of TBC. "Why do warlock pets get it for free and it costs us 17 talent points?" Again, the issue is fundamentally the weak talents in lower arcane make it FEEL like you really are spending 17 talent points just for this talent. Then again, it is possibly STILL worth it. Tons of players will rant on and on about how this talent is a "crutch" or how you should always insure full spell locks to not waste the CS cooldown -- this is nonsense. Imp CS is fantastic, get over yourselves. ^^
Arcane Mind: Very simple and vastly improved since WoW 1.0. Only common in deep, deep Arcane builds that take advantage of the scaling between this talent and Mind Mastery. I think that there's little argument that this is a fine talent. It isn't a "must-have" for many players but works well within the tree and finds its way into a solid numbers of players' talents.
Presence of Mind: Trademark "gold medal" talent of the class for the first year or more of the game in WoW 1.0. Inevitably when combined with AP and double trinkets was the centerpiece of the "IWIN" macros that filled half of the mage PvP videos for a whole era. Prior to the revamp, basically every spec committed to taking PoM due to the "required" investments in the lower talents, and the low marginal cost in picking up PoM. Since the revamp opened up Elemental as more viable and increasingly so since TBC, PoM has become drastically less relevant to mage gameplay. It is still a potent 21 point talent, but with bigger health pools, and more attractive options in other specs, it is exponentially less prevalent...not a bad thing. Many are already eyeing 21/0/41+ as potential awesomeness in WLK, but I'm mostly of the opinion that while this talent will always be solid, the relative importance of a single instant spell has gone way done with larger health pools and increased survivability. It is perhaps more in line with how it should be at this point.
Improved Blink: One of the talents that I WHINED about nonstop during beta. It isn't bad, saving 300+ mana per blink can really add up pretty quickly; even a rogue duel where I blink 3 times, I've saved 1k mana which is honestly pretty significant. The problem is that it is deep in the tree for a talent that helps a single spell that's on cooldown. This is begging to be Improved Spellsteal instead. Others would rather see this be a cooldown reduction on Blink similar to what's on the PvP and Gladiator gear or a talent that increases the distance of Blink. (The latter of which I rather like) Most players feel that when you compare this to the more general Arcane Mind on the same tier, there's little incentive to pick this option. There really aren't any specs that have enough points to spare to pick up both.
Arcane Potency: One of the late additions to the TBC talents that left the beta players pretty divided. A lot of people thought the talent was pretty weak as it basically relied on a random proc and then only increased your chance to land a critical strike and the whole thing was very uncontrollable and awkward. On the other hand, it works well with Arcane Missiles and it does help those AP/PoM Pyroblasts crit a lot more if you save it for a Clearcasting proc. Overall, it isn't a very good return on investment per point if you care about sustained damage (just over 3%), but is still potent enough to find its way into many specs that are focused on dealing damage and look to take as many damage scaling talents as possible. I'd argue that it is highly underwhelming considering the Clearcasting requirement and depth in the tree (it seems like it would be a guaranteed critical, not just an increased chance to be honest), but the fact that it ends up in so many builds and that players generally seem to like it proves that it is probably fine as is. It is perpetually one of those types of talents I'm inclined to avoid.
Arcane Potency: Generic damage scaling talent that is quite good and the only complaints generally involve "I spend tons of points in crap in lower Arcane and only get to spend 3 here?" Perhaps talents like this are too good, but when compared to what other classes get for similar talents, it certainly is not out of line.
Prismatic Cloak: An impossibly hard talent to analyze. Honestly, 2% mitigation to all damage per point is amazing. However, you can only invest 2 points and you are starved for points once you get this far down in Arcane; only PvP specs are looking for a talent like this and they really need Blazing Speed or Ice Block and have very few points to spend at this depth. The fact that you can only invest 2 points really makes this talent far less noticeable than it could potentially be otherwise, but would any really want this as a 5 point talent? (Probably not!) A lot of people in beta were hoping this would be a buff as for some reason that rumor floated around for a while. The rumor was that this was a castable buff on party members that was 4% damage mitigation. That would be neat! (AND overpowered!)
Empowered Arcane Missiles: I hated all the "Empowered" talents when they were first were released in TBC. I thought they were pretty uninspired in general and in comparison to other tier 7 and tier 8 talents for other classes. Empowered Missiles were the best of the three however. The two edged nature of making Missiles significant more damaging but more mana consuming (the main downside to missiles) is more interesting than the one dimensional Empowered talents. This talent really transforms missiles into a real nuke and opened up Arcane as a viable damage spec. It is probably too powerful even at its current depth, but Arcane Missiles are a somewhat weak spell without the talent relatively, so the overall result I see as pretty fair.
Arcane Power: The "gold medal" talent everybody loves to hate. The slight nerf from 35 to 30% was generally irrelevant and this talent still gives AP mages the highest "burst" you can get in the game. Sure it can be dispelled, costs a ton of mana, and lasts for a very short time, but the damage scaling is pretty ridiculous. If mages were more resistance to dispels, I think most would feel this talent is in line with their expectations. Going forward into WLK, there really aren't any 31/31 specs that are particularly terrifying. A lot of players over the years have cried for the removal for Arcane Power as they felt that it hurt the class more than it helped -- the arguments pointed how people complained repeatedly about Zerking+Trinkets+Beserking+AP PoM Pyros. The "idea" was to trade AP for more consistent damage or better survivability; I was always indifferent to the arguments really. I think AP is fine and in line with other 31 points talents especially with the larger health pools in TBC and moving forward into WLK.
Spell Power: The very last addition to mage TBC talents. This came as a shock to most players and was really out of nowhere. Nobody asked for it! It is quite good -- there was huge drama over how much damage it should add, but looking back, I think its current state is reasonable in the current game. It doesn't really add a LOT of damage to criticals, but per point investment, it is a great talent and I don't think many would argue that this talent needs improvement. ^^
Mind Mastery: I don't know what to say about MM really; it is pretty bland, but pretty good. I think it is inline with other classes' Tier 8 damage scaling talents.
Slow: This went through a few iterations during beta before it ended up movement speed, casting speed, and ranged attack speed. Despite arguments otherwise, the current Slow is probably the best Slow ever in TBC. Reducing melee attack speed is just not that important as most abilities are instant. Slow has many problems including high mana cost, the ability to only use it on a single target, the ease at which it can be dispelled, and the fact that any ability that removes movement impairing effects removes Slow entirely. Unfortunately, almost every class can self-remove Slow and even when they cannot, such a high portion of PvP damage comes from instant abilities that Slow acts more like a movement snare than anything else. A 700 mana 41 point instant snare that is on par with Cone of Cold and Rank 1 frostbolt. Improvements to Slow have included: Dramatically reduce the mana cost, make Slow AoE or allow you to cast it on multiple targets, make Slow resistant to dispel or add a punishment similar to what is on UA for dispelling Slow (root/stun?), or swap Slow with a lower tier "gold medal" talent. In TBC, Slow is generally an ability only relevant in PvP and unfortunately any PvP spec requires Ice Block or at least Blazing Speed, both of which preclude ever having Slow.
This is just a first pass!
Tuesday, August 7, 2007
Mage Issues/Concerns/Ideas Post
These have been done to DEATH on every blog, every forum, and I've briefly touched on some of the points over the past few months on this site, but I'd sort of like to work on something a bit more cohesive and that incorporates input from people not too lazy to drop off ideas. The purpose isn't to really get anything changed or hope desperately for "fixes" but to just get a feel for what we'd like to have different as I think it will be a good framework for understanding the upcoming changes the class inevitably faces in Wrath of the Litch King. I expect the flow of information on the expansion to be slow at first, but eventually we'll be getting a ton of new stuff to theorycraft about, and I'd like to give one more go at discussing the current state of the class before being jaded by what's to come in the distant future. Again, I've no intention of emoing out or anything, just want to go through ideas that have perhaps fallen along the way.
Probably going to operate in a generic framework of Abilities, Talents, and General or something of the sort, I'll probably begin posting to this over the next day or two and keep working on it as a work in progress type of thing.
I apologize for no posts since Blizzcon but I haven't had a ton to say. Game Over will be 5sing tomorrow evening, and hopefully we'll be attending WSVG Toronto with a semi-GameOver FH team. ::Crosses Fingers::
Probably going to operate in a generic framework of Abilities, Talents, and General or something of the sort, I'll probably begin posting to this over the next day or two and keep working on it as a work in progress type of thing.
I apologize for no posts since Blizzcon but I haven't had a ton to say. Game Over will be 5sing tomorrow evening, and hopefully we'll be attending WSVG Toronto with a semi-GameOver FH team. ::Crosses Fingers::
Sunday, August 5, 2007
Blizzcon: Day Two Retrospective
While day one was mostly about trying to mess around with WLK and SC2, day two of Blizzcon was all about the tournaments. I'll begin with them very briefly:
CGS
I watched NothingSpecial, RapidFlame, and SpanishMafia. Nothing special played rogue/priest and then a surprise respec into rogue/shadowpriest in the finals. They dominated Rapidflame's warrior/druid and SpanishMafia's lock/druid couldn't match Rapidflame's lock/priest. I was somewhat confused with the choice to run druid/war against priest/rogue instead of a druid/lock but I guess it isn't a bad option. The druid play in all of the matches was pretty disappointing to me; they were not able to cyclone effectively at all nor were they able to play effective keep away.
In the US matches, DnT's warrior/priest ousted Dhaoss and Scheme's lock/pally who ripped CTs' lock/pally. The lock/pally matches were great surprisingly; I was extremely impressed with Dhaoss and Scheme who really outplayed CTs dramatically. DnT still won with relative comfort in the finals; warrior/priest is pretty fantastic against lock/pally.
The CGS matches were again terribly run and full of technical issues. Many matches had to be restarted due to disconnects or players lagging out. They also would put stealth classes up on the screens which could be seen with ease by all the players which is pretty retarded. The finals drew a moderate sized crowd, maybe 200ish people; the format could definitely be pretty popular actually if CGS ran the event better.
Starcraft
This was the event at Blizzcon. The semis and finals were three to four times as packed as the other events. Dep, Aesthyr, and I screamed like idiots for a lot of the matches and I'm not even sure we were the loudest people there. People were REALLY into it. The announcing was again incredible; the commentary is so important for gaming as you really need to play up the skill and the Jason Lee sounding dude was awesome.
I was routing hardcore for Iris but Nal_rA proved too sneaky. He had some ridiculously baller fake-outs. His spider mine targeting with his goons was out of control. Iris had a few moves that got the audience screaming: one was where he floated his barracks and hid mines under it so that the goon rush even backed with observer didn't see them which decimated the goons. The second was where he pulled a goon into a mine inside of Nal_rA's probes which splashed at least a half dozen probes. The use of vultures throughout was amazing, but Nal_rA's reaver/dropship control was too much. I've never seen anything like that before. o.O
The finals weren't quite as exciting as Nal_rA's aggressive fancy play was severely punished by Savior's dominating macro. The first finals round had literally a 10 minute battle in the center which showcased almost every zerg unit in the game; ultimately plague and swarm broke the toss lines and Nal_rA was overrun. Until that fight Nal_rA dominated the game. The games were still amazing to watch. ^^
WoW
I had a lot more fun watching the WoW tournament than I thought I would have. The Hukhukhuk's were fantastic to watch and were definitely the crowd favorite along with MoB.
In the first match, HHH had a pretty hard fought win over Tenacity as the feral druid gave them huge problems in the first round. After switching to putting more pressure on the druid, they were able to play their normal outlast and CC game although my intuition would have been to put more pressure on the mage. /shrug
HHH next went up against Nashwan which is true 2345, and while the games were close they committed hard to getting early kills on Nashwan's priest and it cost them every game. It really didn't make sense to play such an aggressive game to me considering they are much better suited to outlasting. It should be noted that the Nashwan priest survived miraculously over and over and over.
MoB crushed Nashwan with little difficulty. While Nashwan worked hard to focus MoB's hunter, he was able to stay free well enough to put huge pressure on Dahl, Nashwan's mage which reduced the amount of CC he could put out and opened up their own warrior to put even further pressure on Dahl. The games were fun to watch and the crowd got pretty into them at the end. (though the crowd was probably 1/10th the size of the SC crowd) Nashwan needed to play more defensively; the shaman needed to assist the mage more and lightning bolt spam less. He just bolted himself OOM every game it seemed.
The commentary was once again atrocious and made the whole thing ten times worse. I was still pretty jealous of the teams who got to compete though and the whole thing definitely made me miss arena-ing a lot.
Panels
I crashed the Professions and Items panel as well as the end of the Class Discussion take two. Most of the interesting parts of the panels are on the web, the only thing you probably can't get from the slides you see online is little things like when one of the devs is talkign about increasing stamina and says "What makes PvP not fun" rhetorically with the intent of talking about getting 2-shot, but instead the audience screams warlocks and continues to scream about warlocks for a good few seconds. You sort of had to be there for that I think. ^^ He also mentioned at one point that he rerolled hunter briefly and "wanted to kill himself." Inevitable WoW forum drama.
As for class changes, the enhancement shaman changes are interesting, I don't really know what will be the end result. There really weren't any other significant changes; mages will get soulwell type things for food and water, which is nice I guess. There was a mention of an inevitable warrior rage nerf in yesterday's class discussion which I haven't heard much talk about since.
Inscription sounds to me like it won't be a PvP profession; we'll just get our shit from suck PvErs who have time to skill up that nonsense. Engineering will get new ranks of the goggles which is hot, and enchanting may go back to being able to craft wands, potentially very good ones. (THESE ARE MY PROFESSIONS SO I TUNED OUT TO THE REST SO EAT IT) The jewelcrafting gems are old news; for PvP, the new JC only gems seem about even with the extra 24 spell damage to rings.
Random Thoughts
I'm wondering if the fact that a hunter team won Blizzcon is actually going to be detrimental to the class, does the class really need help if it still was a part of the "best team" in the world? Yeah, I don't believe this bullshit logic but some will.
Why are 2v2 matches still longer than 5v5 matches even when the 5v5 teams are super survivability stacked?
Will 4DPS be allowed to remain viable considering that Blizzard wants to put on a good show and longer matches are generally going to be more entertaining to watch? It felt like Tom Chilton really believed that the games should last a while while he was commentating. Then again, he also mentioned how DoT times are the "counter" to warrior/windfury teams.
Chilton also said that he felt rogues were quite good in 2v2 and 3v3 arenas and that resilience was not the "problem" rogues face in 5s. He spoke of 2s and 3s in another instance I can't quite remember; I was under the impression that 5s were all that mattered as far as balance goes, will this perhaps change? He made it sound as if some classes were just meant to be better in smaller arenas while others better in the larger arenas, is this really legit?
It's been a long day; I'll probably have more to say after everything sinks in and I can talk over what's been said at Blizzcon. Blizzcon was definitely a good thing for WoW arena; most of the new developments seem to be significant improvements, the expansion ideas all sound like they will improve gameplay, the tournament despite it all was entertaining and people seem to care, but at the same time Blizzcon 5s arena felt a bit stale and not representative of the current state of the game. We'll see what the rest of S2 brings. ^^
CGS
I watched NothingSpecial, RapidFlame, and SpanishMafia. Nothing special played rogue/priest and then a surprise respec into rogue/shadowpriest in the finals. They dominated Rapidflame's warrior/druid and SpanishMafia's lock/druid couldn't match Rapidflame's lock/priest. I was somewhat confused with the choice to run druid/war against priest/rogue instead of a druid/lock but I guess it isn't a bad option. The druid play in all of the matches was pretty disappointing to me; they were not able to cyclone effectively at all nor were they able to play effective keep away.
In the US matches, DnT's warrior/priest ousted Dhaoss and Scheme's lock/pally who ripped CTs' lock/pally. The lock/pally matches were great surprisingly; I was extremely impressed with Dhaoss and Scheme who really outplayed CTs dramatically. DnT still won with relative comfort in the finals; warrior/priest is pretty fantastic against lock/pally.
The CGS matches were again terribly run and full of technical issues. Many matches had to be restarted due to disconnects or players lagging out. They also would put stealth classes up on the screens which could be seen with ease by all the players which is pretty retarded. The finals drew a moderate sized crowd, maybe 200ish people; the format could definitely be pretty popular actually if CGS ran the event better.
Starcraft
This was the event at Blizzcon. The semis and finals were three to four times as packed as the other events. Dep, Aesthyr, and I screamed like idiots for a lot of the matches and I'm not even sure we were the loudest people there. People were REALLY into it. The announcing was again incredible; the commentary is so important for gaming as you really need to play up the skill and the Jason Lee sounding dude was awesome.
I was routing hardcore for Iris but Nal_rA proved too sneaky. He had some ridiculously baller fake-outs. His spider mine targeting with his goons was out of control. Iris had a few moves that got the audience screaming: one was where he floated his barracks and hid mines under it so that the goon rush even backed with observer didn't see them which decimated the goons. The second was where he pulled a goon into a mine inside of Nal_rA's probes which splashed at least a half dozen probes. The use of vultures throughout was amazing, but Nal_rA's reaver/dropship control was too much. I've never seen anything like that before. o.O
The finals weren't quite as exciting as Nal_rA's aggressive fancy play was severely punished by Savior's dominating macro. The first finals round had literally a 10 minute battle in the center which showcased almost every zerg unit in the game; ultimately plague and swarm broke the toss lines and Nal_rA was overrun. Until that fight Nal_rA dominated the game. The games were still amazing to watch. ^^
WoW
I had a lot more fun watching the WoW tournament than I thought I would have. The Hukhukhuk's were fantastic to watch and were definitely the crowd favorite along with MoB.
In the first match, HHH had a pretty hard fought win over Tenacity as the feral druid gave them huge problems in the first round. After switching to putting more pressure on the druid, they were able to play their normal outlast and CC game although my intuition would have been to put more pressure on the mage. /shrug
HHH next went up against Nashwan which is true 2345, and while the games were close they committed hard to getting early kills on Nashwan's priest and it cost them every game. It really didn't make sense to play such an aggressive game to me considering they are much better suited to outlasting. It should be noted that the Nashwan priest survived miraculously over and over and over.
MoB crushed Nashwan with little difficulty. While Nashwan worked hard to focus MoB's hunter, he was able to stay free well enough to put huge pressure on Dahl, Nashwan's mage which reduced the amount of CC he could put out and opened up their own warrior to put even further pressure on Dahl. The games were fun to watch and the crowd got pretty into them at the end. (though the crowd was probably 1/10th the size of the SC crowd) Nashwan needed to play more defensively; the shaman needed to assist the mage more and lightning bolt spam less. He just bolted himself OOM every game it seemed.
The commentary was once again atrocious and made the whole thing ten times worse. I was still pretty jealous of the teams who got to compete though and the whole thing definitely made me miss arena-ing a lot.
Panels
I crashed the Professions and Items panel as well as the end of the Class Discussion take two. Most of the interesting parts of the panels are on the web, the only thing you probably can't get from the slides you see online is little things like when one of the devs is talkign about increasing stamina and says "What makes PvP not fun" rhetorically with the intent of talking about getting 2-shot, but instead the audience screams warlocks and continues to scream about warlocks for a good few seconds. You sort of had to be there for that I think. ^^ He also mentioned at one point that he rerolled hunter briefly and "wanted to kill himself." Inevitable WoW forum drama.
As for class changes, the enhancement shaman changes are interesting, I don't really know what will be the end result. There really weren't any other significant changes; mages will get soulwell type things for food and water, which is nice I guess. There was a mention of an inevitable warrior rage nerf in yesterday's class discussion which I haven't heard much talk about since.
Inscription sounds to me like it won't be a PvP profession; we'll just get our shit from suck PvErs who have time to skill up that nonsense. Engineering will get new ranks of the goggles which is hot, and enchanting may go back to being able to craft wands, potentially very good ones. (THESE ARE MY PROFESSIONS SO I TUNED OUT TO THE REST SO EAT IT) The jewelcrafting gems are old news; for PvP, the new JC only gems seem about even with the extra 24 spell damage to rings.
Random Thoughts
I'm wondering if the fact that a hunter team won Blizzcon is actually going to be detrimental to the class, does the class really need help if it still was a part of the "best team" in the world? Yeah, I don't believe this bullshit logic but some will.
Why are 2v2 matches still longer than 5v5 matches even when the 5v5 teams are super survivability stacked?
Will 4DPS be allowed to remain viable considering that Blizzard wants to put on a good show and longer matches are generally going to be more entertaining to watch? It felt like Tom Chilton really believed that the games should last a while while he was commentating. Then again, he also mentioned how DoT times are the "counter" to warrior/windfury teams.
Chilton also said that he felt rogues were quite good in 2v2 and 3v3 arenas and that resilience was not the "problem" rogues face in 5s. He spoke of 2s and 3s in another instance I can't quite remember; I was under the impression that 5s were all that mattered as far as balance goes, will this perhaps change? He made it sound as if some classes were just meant to be better in smaller arenas while others better in the larger arenas, is this really legit?
It's been a long day; I'll probably have more to say after everything sinks in and I can talk over what's been said at Blizzcon. Blizzcon was definitely a good thing for WoW arena; most of the new developments seem to be significant improvements, the expansion ideas all sound like they will improve gameplay, the tournament despite it all was entertaining and people seem to care, but at the same time Blizzcon 5s arena felt a bit stale and not representative of the current state of the game. We'll see what the rest of S2 brings. ^^
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